Sunday, August 03, 2008

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At 8/03/2008 6:18 PM, Blogger Justin_n_IL said...

Well since you asked LOL.

The purpose for America

When taking an honest look at America's government of today one sees corruption beyond measure. Is America's problem it's government? The answer to that is yes and no. The government was not the beginning of her problem but it is and will be at the center of her demise. America's government is a mirror image of the American society as a whole. A society that wants something for nothing. A society that expects much gain with little or no pain. A society that has gone mad with covetousness. A society which is the opposite of the one that gave birth to America. The government of America is a product of that which the American society has evolved into. You might say that America is reaping that which she has sown. Those who sow corruption shall reap corruption. The pressing problem is the absence of moral fiber. Fibers of honesty, love for thy neighbor, the willingness to declare evil as being evil, a willingness to not only recognize but face painful truths, and the list goes on and on. The more I study the quotes of the founding fathers the more I shake my head in agreement with them. The great experiment that started with the bloody uprising against tyranny is now about to be consumed thereby. I have listed below a number of such quotes as mentioned above. GOD granted this rebellious band of men much wisdom and insight. One must ask himself what was the ultimate purpose of GOD for creating America? I will touch on that proceeding the quotes.

Every child in America should be acquainted with his own country. He should read books that furnish him with ideas that will be useful to him in life and practice. As soon as he opens his lips, he should rehearse the history of his own country.(Not the case in modern America)

Noah Webster, On the Education of Youth in America, 1788

A general dissolution of principles and manners(As is the case in modern America) will more surely overthrow the liberties of America than the whole force of the common enemy. While the people are virtuous they cannot be subdued; but when once they lose their virtue then will be ready to surrender their liberties to the first external or internal invader(As is the case in modern America).

Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, February 12, 1779

No people will tamely surrender their Liberties, nor can any be easily subdued, when knowledge is diffused and Virtue is preserved(Not the case in modern America.). On the Contrary, when People are universally ignorant, and debauched in their Manners, they will sink under their own weight without the Aid of foreign Invaders. (As is the case in modern America)

Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

Nothing is more certain than that a general profligacy and corruption of manners make a people ripe for destruction(As is the case in modern America). A good form of government may hold the rotten materials together for some time, but beyond a certain pitch, even the best constitution will be ineffectual, and slavery must ensue.

John Witherspoon, The Dominion of Providence Over the Passions of Men, 1776

Nothing is more essential to the establishment of manners in a State than that all persons employed in places of power and trust must be men of unexceptionable characters(Not the case in modern America).

Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

Nothing so strongly impels a man to regard the interest of his constituents, as the certainty of returning to the general mass of the people, from whence he was taken, where he must participate in their burdens.(No longer the case for such men)

George Mason, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 14, 1778

O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone; and you have no longer an aristocratical, no longer a democratical spirit. Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all? (Which is exactly why you will see no great reforming revolution in America.)

Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

Government, in my humble opinion, should be formed to secure and to enlarge the exercise of the natural rights of its members(Just the opposite in modern America); and every government, which has not this in view, as its principal object, is not a government of the legitimate kind.(Sound like a government you know of?)

James Wilson, Lectures on Law, 1791

Guard with jealous attention the public liberty(The modern American's are to busy watching television and consuming to spend time on such a petty thing. The band plays on as the ship sinks.). Suspect every one who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are inevitably ruined.(As is the case in modern America)

Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778

How prone all human institutions have been to decay; how subject the best-formed and most wisely organized governments have been to lose their check and totally dissolve; how difficult it has been for mankind, in all ages and countries, to preserve their dearest rights and best privileges, impelled as it were by an irresistible fate of despotism.(The mind of modern America deems America as being unique and above all those who came before her. Pompous, high minded, and arrogant comes to mind. In her mind she sits as a queen and shall never know the loss of children.)

James Monroe, speech in the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 10, 1788

If all the delegates named for this Convention at Philadelphia are present, we will ever have seen, even in Europe, an assembly more respectable for the talents, knowledge, disinterestedness, and patriotism of those who compose it. (Kudos)

Otto (French charge d'affaires), letter to the Comite de Montmorin, April 10, 1787
If men of wisdom and knowledge, of moderation and temperance, of patience, fortitude and perseverance, of sobriety and true republican simplicity of manners, of zeal for the honour of the Supreme Being and the welfare of the commonwealth; if men possessed of these other excellent qualities are chosen to fill the seats of government, we may expect that our affairs will rest on a solid and permanent foundation. (Pipe dream)
Samuel Adams, letter to Elbridge Gerry, November 27, 1780

If Virtue & Knowledge are diffused among the People, they will never be enslav'd. This will be their great Security. (Security breach, Security breach, Security breach)
Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, February 12, 1779

In a general sense, all contributions imposed by the government upon individuals for the service of the state, are called taxes, by whatever name they may be known, whether by the name of tribute, tythe, tallage, impost, duty, gabel, custom, subsidy, aid, supply, excise, or other name. (Let's add monetary inflation to that list.)
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833

It is an object of vast magnitude that systems of education should be adopted and pursued which may not only diffuse a knowledge of the sciences but may implant in the minds of the American youth the principles of virtue and of liberty and inspire them with just and liberal ideas of government and with an inviolable attachment to their own country. (Modern America has dropped that ball.)
Noah Webster, On the Education of Youth in America

It is certainly true that a popular government cannot flourish without virtue in the people.
Richard Henry Lee, letter to Colonel Martin Pickett, March 5, 1786

It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth — and listen to the song of that siren, till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those, who having eyes, see not, and having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?(The answer to that is yes in modern America. Which of course is why they will cry out to the last King of Babylon to save them. By peace he will destroy many. Peace and safety, Peace and safety) For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it might cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.
Patrick Henry, speech in the Virginia Convention, March 23, 1775

It is necessary for every American, with becoming energy to endeavor to stop the dissemination of principles evidently destructive of the cause for which they have bled. It must be the combined virtue of the rulers and of the people to do this, and to rescue and save their civil and religious rights from the outstretched arm of tyranny, which may appear under any mode or form of government(Republicans and Democrats).
Mercy Warren, History of the Rise, Progress, and Termination of the American Revolution, 1805

Republics are created by the virtue, public spirit, and intelligence of the citizens. They fall, when the wise are banished from the public councils, because they dare to be honest, and the profligate are rewarded, because they flatter the people, in order to betray them. (That has a familiar ring to it.)
Joseph Story, Commentaries on the Constitution, 1833

The public cannot be too curious concerning the characters of public men.(In modern America rotten character is accepted and even laughed about. Truly such men are a product of the public itself.)

Samuel Adams, letter to James Warren, November 4, 1775

If the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.(As is the case in modern America.)

Candidus, in the Boston Gazette, January 20, 1772

Without liberty, law loses its nature and its name, and becomes oppression. Without law, liberty also loses its nature and its name, and becomes licentiousness.

James Wilson, Of the Study of the Law in the United States, Circa 1790

Neither the wisest constitution nor the wisest laws will secure the liberty and happiness of a people whose manners are universally corrupt.(Sound like a people you know of?)

Samuel Adams, essay in The Public Advertiser, Circa 1749

If the above men knew what they were talking about then what does that say about modern America? Her fate is sealed? She is already 50 feet off the cliff and the sheer momentum of her chase for idols keeps her delusion intact?

The rest of this post can be found here>
http://justinnil.blogspot.com/2008/08/purpose-for-america.html

 
At 8/04/2008 7:09 AM, Anonymous hanover said...

F. William Engdahl's latest article:

Henry Paulson has lost Control over US Finance, Economy

 
At 8/04/2008 7:09 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

The more I look at it, the more I realize that ancient black nobility (i.e. the bankers) of Europe overthrew the United States in secret. This dates back to when the Founding Fathers warned of a central bank's power. It is known that the people that control the money supply have ruled the world. They took the USA over in a monetary way then they took it over politically and economically. I worry that it is too late. Our economy and manufacuturing base has been destroyed through globalization (free trade, outsourcing, and illegal immigration). We have been dumbed down and basically enslaved to the economic system which is now broken. The elitists are socializing their losses and billing the American people without a vote. Our Congress does not represent the people- they have all been bought and paid for or compromised. Only a small group of Congressmen have any integrity anymore. In the meantime, the elite grow richer and continue to hold power. I am afraid our general public is too stuipid and brainwashed to stop it. Only when economic calamity and then hunger inflict the dumb masses will they then get the slap in the face they need and maybe they will wake up and decide to do something....or maybe they will just hide inside their house and continue to watch tv, play video games, and worry about their little bubble world and hope the storm blows over. The future looks bleak: economic collapse, geopolitical catastraphe, food shortages, hunger, poverty, hyperinflation, crime, martial law, police state, fascism.....God is our only hope.

 
At 8/04/2008 8:43 AM, Blogger Justin_n_IL said...

Finally there is the derivation of all this sadomasochistic nihilism out of a comic book. How appropriate, since we have become a cartoon of a society living on a cartoon of a North American landscape, that the deepest source of our mythos comes from cartoons. We're so far gone that real human emotion is beyond us. We're to far gone -- and even without shame -- to care how this odious movie portrays us to the rest of the world. It is already making a fortune out there.

http://jameshowardkunstler.typepad.com/

 
At 8/04/2008 9:21 AM, Blogger Justin_n_IL said...

This article is certainly food for thought.

But what about Roosevelt’s concerns about “a concentration of private power without equal in history”? What about his definition of Fascism; “ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling power”? What about Ambassador Dodd’s warning that “a clique of U.S. industrialists is hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government”?

http://bushout.blogspot.com/2004/02/bushes-cia-and-american-fascism-as.html

 
At 8/06/2008 11:23 PM, Anonymous Dee said...

Open an account with WaMu and get everything free. That's how desperate they are.
http://tinyurl.com/55fa8r

 

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